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MyAvatars 0.2 noemi
May 6th, 2008 @9:49 am  

I am so disappointed with the Catholic Church. I rarely go to mass because of the hypocrisy of the parish priests that I have encountered. He even had a mistress and church funds were misused. Then, these statements. The church should clean its own act first before making “being angry at what gays are doing” statements. They have a lot to clean up.

MyAvatars 0.2 AJ
May 6th, 2008 @9:57 am  

@noemi:

The church does indeed have a lot to clean up, and not just regarding things that are anti-homosexuals. This includes their seemingly endless meddling in governance. I hope they understand what separation of church and state means.

MyAvatars 0.2 Cookie
May 6th, 2008 @10:41 am  

Hi AJ!

The Archbishop of Pangasinan just released his statement this morning. He was very emphatic in saying that having gay men participate in Santacruzans did not violate any kind of church doctrine. This was very refreshing to hear. He said that, in fact, the whole tradition of Santacruzan stemmed from our giving reverence to Santa Elena. Anyone who participated was clearly pretending to be the saint…woman or not. So long as the original intention of paying respect to the revered saint was kept intact, he didn’t see any reason of disallowing gay men to participate. He followed it with saying that some of his colleagues in the clergy should better focus their attention on other pressing matters.

Now that is one learned member of the clergy!

MyAvatars 0.2 FINCH
May 6th, 2008 @2:31 pm  

******* should be shot.

MyAvatars 0.2 AJ
May 6th, 2008 @6:19 pm  
@Cookie:

Wow! Thank you for this information. At least there’s someone out there who knows that casting the first stone is for those who have not sinned. :)

MyAvatars 0.2 Quentin X
May 6th, 2008 @7:20 pm  

Hypocrites: that’s what they are.

MyAvatars 0.2 chase/chubz
May 7th, 2008 @12:22 am  

arrrghh.. this makes me so angry.
gusto ako mang-upak ng tao.

MyAvatars 0.2 AJ
May 7th, 2008 @10:46 am  
@chase/chubz:

Wag naman. Maghunos-dili ka. Hayaan mo na silang mabulok sa kung saan man.

MyAvatars 0.2 AJ
May 7th, 2008 @10:46 am  
@Quentin X:

Exactly! Sigh.

MyAvatars 0.2 GoingStraight
May 7th, 2008 @10:50 am  

The issue here I think is the participants should be “real ladies” and not flamboyant gays since the roles that are being portrayed are those of women roles. Just my thought.

MyAvatars 0.2 Gian
May 7th, 2008 @1:04 pm  

Thanks for posting this, AJ. I’ll be checking your blog from now on for updates on the bakla rights movement in the Philippines. I’m active in the gay rights movement too but focus my work mainly in the US, where I’ve been living for the past 10 years (I spent the first 10 in the Philippines, but obviously, I was too young to do anything back then).

Your post raises one central question in my mind:
What right do we, the gays, have to influence the church’s stance on homosexuality? As much as we hate for the Church (or any religious body) to be homophobic, they do have the right to preach whatever they want if freedom of speech is to be upheld. Undoubtedly, the Vatican’s position has made it difficult for many baklas devoted to the Catholic Church to feel accepted (same with gay Jews who practice orthodox Judaism). The challenge is in changing this stance without infringing on the Church’s right to freedom of thought and belief. The only way to do this, I think, is to challenge the Bible’s interpretation of homosexuality. Many gays out there truly believe that the Bible promotes the love of everyone (”love” here includes respect for humans as sexual beings and thus also respect for their sexual desires, whether for the opposite sex or not). This is the reason they stick to the Catholic Church even if they are ridiculed and shunned.
The good thing, though, is that the Church is likely to stick to its stance that homosexuality is not a choice, since it’s backed by scientific evidence (one that’s supported by the medical establishment that includes the American Psychiatric Association, American Psychological Association, American Medical Association, among countless others. See:
http://www.apa.org/topics/orientation.html#choice

Now the question is: HOW do we convince the Church not to consider homosexual acts sinful? The answer will probably be a combination of science, philosophy, and anthropology.

-Gian

MyAvatars 0.2 AJ
May 7th, 2008 @8:54 pm  
@Gian:

While we do not have any right nor power to influence the Church and it’s stance on homosexuality, we have the right to express our opinions regarding the statements and issues that the church is involving themselves in. The church’s power and influence here in the Philippines is so great that they can also influence governance, which should not be the case.

No matter how much we challenge the Bible’s interpretation, the church will not budge. It would be very difficult for us to convince the church to consider homosexuality not a sin. I don’t want to sound too pessimistic but I think doing so is an effort in futility.

The church also has to realize that even if they have all that power and influence, not all people actually have faith in them. At the end of the day, what is important is one’s faith to the higher being (if they have one), not to a man-made religious institution.

MyAvatars 0.2 Nikki Ballesteros
May 7th, 2008 @11:15 pm  

You know, I really do not know what is wrong with our priests. They always condemn gay people. Actually, Church tradition is being ressurected because of the interest of gay people. I have an image of the Blessed Virgin Mary and I always pray to her that she may protect us from discrimination. I totally disagree with the Bishop of Caloocan that gay people have no right to participate in any procession. When I heard that, I was shocked. OK, fine. If there are no gay people that will participate in these religious celebrations, what would the ceremonies look like? Por ejemplo, the Grand Marian Procession held every first Sunday of December in Intramuros Manila, most of the people that you see adorning their beloved images, arranging the floral arragements of their carrozas and organizing the events are GAY.They are doing this because of their devotion. We camareros spend a lot of money with these images because of our love and devotion. How about the pompous LA NAVAL DE MANILA festivities in Quezon City every October? You will also see a lot of gays there. I think the clergy does not understand this.

I do not want to attack the clergy, but I heard so many rumors about priests not practicing their vow of celibacy. What is the CBCP’s say about this? diba?

As a conclusion, kung walang bading sa simbahan, matabang ang dating ng mga seremonya.

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